Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 03:00:39 EST
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Message-Id: <9302180800.AA12415@dropout.rutgers.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
To: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu
Cc: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: cooper/aids
Keywords: cooper/aids
In-Reply-To: USENET article <15FEB199321095117@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu>

	...wanted to ask if anyone heard about his idea that aids
	laced smallpox vaccines were used in Africa,, and aids laced
	hepatitis B vaccines used in the states.. This seems pretty
	ridiculous,

... well, its not Cooper's idea, but it is one theory.  If you can
find the March 19th, 1992 issue of (of all things) Rolling Stone,
there is an informative article about the polio/aids theory.  

   In sum, some of the polio vaccines of the 1950's were grown in
monkey kidney cells.  Some monkey virus' can "jump the gap" between
monkey and humans (for instance the lethal "Monkey-B" herpes virus,
which is still occasionally killing people (mostly from monkey bites),
and "SV40", a known immunity-dampener, found in 1961.)  All of the
widely-used polio vaccines of this era potentially carried monkey
viruses of one sort or another.

   From 1957-1960, the theorized infected polio vaccine was given to
up to half-a-million people in the Congo.  (Since the HIV virus wasn't
isolated until 1983, it is not surprising that it "got by" in the late
1950's.)  One of the heaviest occurances of aids is in this area (the
first known occurance of HIV was from blood drawn in 1959, analyzed in
1986 -- from Leopoldville (now Kinshasha, Zaire)).  Albert Sabin
(developer of the "sugar cube" polio vaccine) found a rogue virus he
never did identify in 1959 in the vaccine use in the Congo (produced
by Dr. Hilary Koprowski, one of several polio vaccine makers at the
time).  

   However, the vaccine was give by oral spray, and most experts 
will swear up, down, and sideways that you can't get HIV by
swallowing it (on the other hand, if you have a lesion in your
mouth, or inhale the spray, so that the virus could get directly
to blood, you might become infected.)

   So anyway, its possible. 

	His argument is population control,,

... there is positively no evidence for this.  

... from CDC in atlanta. 

   This would seem to be a retelling of an old disinformation story
that originated with an East German biochemist, whose story (1983-6)
was that hiv was a disease that "got away" from a Ft. Detrick,
Maryland biowar lab.  (See Charters and Tugwell's "Deception
Operations".)  As time has gone on, the story has mutated a bit, it
would seem.

Charles